Subscribe to our mailing list and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox. Thanks for sharing. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. They should be and should have been more like the Cajuns and quit they need to stop trying to corrupt the Cajuns. They can still go back to Ireland and see where they came from and even meet distant cousins. Am Afro-American. The worst and qualifying factors for slavery are oppression and dehumanization. The main difference is that 600,000 people died in a civil war to end Black slavery, not Irish indentured service. There you go again, oversimplifying a complicated issue. I guess that depends on what you consider Irish? Dont hate, this is the game they play against us- the game of colours, divide by colour but I have yet to see a human coloured black or a human coloured white- there is no such thing. To pick on Chloe (Admittedly, I Enjoy picking on ignorant bigots); she mentions how Whites suppressed Blacks and sites example after example and doesnt fail to continue to mention color over and over again. Indentured servitude was a form of bonded labour, whereby a migrant agreed to work for a set period of time (between two and seven years) and in return the cost of the voyage across the Atlantic was covered. Where they not slaves in labour camps? Australian actor Jason Donovan is one of the most famous people with the surname Donovan. Groups of the French invaders landed on Irish shores, bringing with them new customs and characteristics to native Irish people and Irelands culture. Yet, as a subject of historical discussion, it is almost never referred to in Ireland. The fact that you refer to them as settlers is disturbing. They got to keep their last names because they were easy to pronounce.. Its common sense guys. There is truth in what you say. What yall ;need to figure out is why this history has been buried and who is gaining from that. Inquire at- Slaves were never considered to be humans, but rather, chattel, and were subject to the whoms of their masters. So with that in mind I guess history allready was rewritten in favour of the British Ryan Fitzpatrick, NFL quarterback, was named the fifth smartest athlete in sports by Sporting News in 2010. Here is the thing though, when they hooked up with Africans to rebel, Bacons Rebellion, they struck a deal with the English colonists to become the slave patrols and plantation overseas. I never heard of this before, yes, of course, Ive heard of the indentured servant history, but not the actual brutal enslavement of the Irish people. And they did this systemically and repeatedly. The Surname is MAY and the earliest records indicate1704 in the US. Famous examples include actresses Demi Moore, Julianne Moore, andMandyMoore. The argument is as follows: the Irish had an advantage because of their skin color. In this way of debate it subdivides the issue of slavery in degrees of worse and worse-er. Some of the most common Irish last names are Murphy ( Murchadha in Gaelic), Kelly ( Ceallaigh in Gaelic), OSullivan ( Silleabhin in Gaelic), and Walsh (Breathnach in Gaelic). William Downing and Philip Welch. When the KKK did not get enough traction in the south in the early part of the 20th century they moved North and preyed upon the Irish and Catholic immigrant. The most common Irish surnames in Ireland haven't changed much for a century. The impact of freeing the slave would be felt much more to the Confederates than the Union. I am not judging anyone here I am just making observations and that is what I have observed. Australian model and actor Julian MacMahon is one of the most famous MacMahons. Whereas once the Irish people mainly spoke Irish (Gaelic/Gaeilge) the indigenous language English is now the primary language. There is a very large difference between the two terms and are often conflated. [5] It is the masculine version of the name Ciara . The latter he did not. Having the last name Kelly seems to place me directly in the cross hairs of this discussion. As far as the name changes it was probably due to pronunciations not so much of stripping the names, doubt the traders/owners cared either way, whatever would be easiest. The Kelley family name was found in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Scotland between 1840 and 1920. According to reports from the Central Statistics Office, Murphy is the most popular last name in Ireland. Im getting pretty sick of people (of all races) whitewashing the oppression of the Irish from history because it doesnt fit with the white skin = oppressors, everyone else = victims narrative. That is sooooo stupid. Chances are, you can find her drinking coffee in some hidden gem cafe in Dublin, planning her next big trip. Daly 25. Johnson took him to court and the judge ruled that Anthony Johnson did not have to release this man. And the extremely vague, tenuous claims as to how blacks may have acquired Irish or Scottish surnames. So if Irish slave girls intercoursed with black slave men, how did the Irish names carry through? T. P. McKenna was an Irish actor from County Cavan and is one of the most well-known of this name. I have to go back and check to see if the word slave is even in it. So I picked up those big fat ugly crayons .. Actor Miles OKeeffeis one of the most famous people with this surname. Great to hear the truth that MOST BRITISH dont want to hear COLM MAHER. The African slave adapted readily to the tropical conditions of the West Indies,but they had to be purchased, whereas the Irish were hunted down like rabbits in their homeland, and were free of charge for the taking. This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. The field needs to be tilted in the other direction for a few decades before we can be on level ground. #DoesntAddUp. Judging history, or whole groups of people through myopic glasses is not only intellectually dishonest but harmful in the modern practice of superimposing everything over the wrongs of the past. In 1839, Britain finally decided on its own to end its participation in Satans highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. the Irish along with other white Europeans were considered Indentured ServantsIndentured Servants were those people who owed money..or inherited family debts..and could work off the debts..some of these people were brought over to do just that..after they earned their way out of debt they were free from obligationfurthermore their day to day lives while being indentured were less stringent than that of the African slave.this articles conflates the status of slave and indentured servant as being similar when they were absolutely notindentured servants actually had rights..yes they were treated miserably..but their status was far higher than that of a black man or womanfurthermore the statement that there were no Irish slave owners in the Americas is absolutely inaccurateso to infer that every black person with an Irish last name is the result of the mixing of these indenture servants who lovingly gave their last names to offspring is simply off baseand perpetuates serious misinformation. Conclusion: With regard to the article. Norman-Catholic gentry? Located off the western shores of Great Britain, the small island nation packs quite a punch when it comes to its heritage. .and the slaves owners trusted their long time slaves than the white indentured servants who could killed the plantation owner and pass for his newly arrived cousin . What Oliver Cromwell did in Ireland was a genocide. Chattel is another form, but we dont call it chattel servitude, on the other hand slavery and servitude has been used interchangeably with indentured, mostly semantics in regards to an individual vs a people. As poor people in the same boat, yes there were relationships, marriages etc. My theory contrary to the hypotheses here is America has made any skin color not light or white a lower lifeforms hence Irish are white Im I wrong. White people can treat their own quite horribly, history tells. American journalist, author, and former television host Bill OReilly is one of the most famous people with the surname OReilly. By the mid-19th-century, Byrne was one of the most common Irish family names in Wicklow, recorded 1203 times. Love Irish history? No, Irish were slaves and Indians were just in parts of Trinidad and Guyana that too from areas of south India. The terminology is important, which has been duly noted and exaggerated on both ends of the discussion. The reason why African-Americans have irish last names is literally because of the English men, they rounded up thousands upon thousands of irish enslaved woman, so they could breed more expensive slaves..yes, there you go!!! They are also from Donegal and Roscommon. The oldest known Irish surname is OClery (O Cleirigh in Gaelic). Well, invasion, land stealing and slaughter have a good 800 year history in Ireland. She and many other commentators suggest and maintain that this is a racial issue, Black against White. You would be amazed at what all of history has been created. This is not about which was treated worse, seems like a game your all going on about, This is about the systematic destruction of nations by the British in these times, i hear noone talking about how ruteless and horrific the British were, they make the Nazis look like Saints. it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English,Welsh, Scottish, Black, White, or any other race or colour, you just needed to be POOR. Not only are the facts part of the story but so is the comparison. The native Gaelic ODubhdaleithe Sept of County Cork also sometimes anglicized their name as Dudley, as well as the more usual Dowdall. If youre essentially dying a slow death, it might as well be slavery. The African slave trade was a better deal. Of course police departments came from the slave patrols and why in some states you got a lot of Irish cops. I would love to know more, this has opened a window in my life. Carran A spelling variant of Curran, this Irish surname is an anglicized form of ' Corraidhin' referring to 'descendant of Corraidhin.' The word Corraidhin is derived from 'Corradh' which means 'little spear.' 5,377 families had this name and they were mainly based in County Cork, Kerry, and neighbouring counties. Not all Africans in America descend from slaves. Interesting read. Africans (Hamites) did not sell their own ppl. In fact, some African tribal leaders were profited from the slave trade by allowing and assisting slave traders in raiding their enemies land. Please do not confuse the two. Remember one thing and one thing only..irish slavery did happen in the Americas and in the West Indies! I was born in Jamaica & was told a little about this by an Irish funeral director. This article is interesting as the subject of Irish slavery seems to be erased from history. And at last; nowhere in the article did the author claim that the treatments to the Irish were worse. They changed things to cover up the greed, it is that cover up that is racism today. Full history, EXPLAINED. However, there have been many others who suffered in slavery. We must stop perpetuating that the Irish were slaves, it is a fallacy. They either came to America as slaves, or moved to America in more modern times. OBrien has been a prominent surname in Ireland for centuries. Oh and as part of an undergraduate class on American History of Business, I spent a significant portion of that class looking at actual microfilm of ads for at first, RUNAWAY INDENTURED SERVANTS in the USA and had to evaluate what changed in those ads for runaways as the business of getting help changed from INDENTURED temporary workers to ENSLAVED PROPERTY owned by those placing ads. Endentured servitude is not some made up concept, as this article implies, it was a legal term with legal and Biblical limitations. The Irish faced discrimination for being ethnically Irish and being Catholic but there was no widespread allowance to murder an indentured servant or an Irishman as there was for black slaves. And i agree. That is the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. By calling yourself African-American you are still claiming to come from two so-called white men. Some people wallow in the past and stay the victim. The term " black Irish " refers to persons of Irish descent who are supposed to be descendants of the Spanish Armada, which sailed around the middle of the 15th century, and had dark hair and or eyes. One last point, as a professor in irish studies.here are some accredited sources on irish slavery, you shouldnt get your sources from Wikipedia or any other non accredited website!!!!!! 8. People dont make it to age 40 there. In other words, the South stood more to lose. https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth. Or did the Irish enjoy being slaves and never ran away from their slave masters? Like many ancient lands, Ireland has seen the arrival of settlers, explorers, ancient tribes, and clans of all different nationalities over centuries. The term is commonly used to describe people of Irish origin who have dark features, black hair, a dark complexion and dark eyes. Anglo-Irish) were in Ireland. To add to it the female is usually severely overweight about half the time. The Norman invasions of 1170 and 1172 led by Strongbow saw yet another wave of immigrants settle in the country, many of whom fiercely resisted English dominance of the island in the centuries that followed. Or the African names were difficult to pronounce and not common to them so they gave them a name that was easier? The word 'Cearmaid' comes from Old Irish and is probably a combination of 'ciar' (black) and 'madra' (dog), thus meaning a 'black dog.' 23. If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. The Merchant Princes of Belfast (West India Traders) where rebuked by Thomas McCabe the Watchmaker of North Street for attempting to establish the slave trade there. This answers a hell of a lot for me. I am a Kyle from Scotland I am scotch-Irish they were indentured servants and free men. Slavery was not only their chief concern but certainly serves as a great example. In the 1940s what were the Jews in Germany? Your email address will not be published. O'Doherty 16. There are no dates for these events, because these were not, and are not, issues faces by Irish slaves and Irish indentured servants. The Normans were invited into Ireland by Dermot McMurrough and were led by the famous Strongbow. could not agree more british took irish men in the 70s and 80s in belfast beat and tortured them the british government was later charged with crimes of humanity by the european courts. It was prophesied that our people would go into slavery on ships because we broke Gods commandments. Learn more. Instead the only thing of Ireland you learn is that Dublin is its capital.. (And, yes, it is a fact that that term, indentured servitude, was mostly just used as a polite term for *slightly* less brutal slavery from which there was actually hope of escape.). I always wondered why so many African Americans had the same last name as I did when I was single. Keir. Thank you for this information. Irelands population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. The predominant slave owners were not Irish. My great great great great grandfathers name is the same as mine. Salem Quarterly Court. If they existed they were unenforceable because Irish did not have to change their race to blend in and be accepted. I can say MacIntyre, I dont know what a Mwanajna is, Ill call you Mo. Similar to many of the Americanized name changes coming through Ellis Island. They are lowland Scots (not highlanders, more English in their culture. This is the most recent history and this is, what Id argue, is the reason why Blacks are accredited as being the slave race. Many have also used the term to describe Irish immigrants who settled in the West Indies or African countries. Other theories suggest that the term Black Irish results from Irish immigrants. For those of you keen to dig a little deeper into your roots, we suggest you check out ancestry.com! I will just say that both existed and as such proves that anyone who is racist and thinks they are justified in being racist is wrong because even with differences of culture, tradition and society all people are the same and we should all treat each other equally and with equal respect. The term "black Irish" refers to persons of Irish descent who are . Nor do I expect people will understand who the English landlords (a.k.a. Was that part of their original contract? In fact he intimated that the conditions were at least just as bad when he said, We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.. Anyone using liam hogan as a source, whom is the only one, literally the only one trying to debunk irish slavery besides the hundreds of thousands of African americans (which is why irish come off as racist Imagine irish saying African slavery never happened, when you know 100 percent it did happen??). and to the edjit who called the ira terrorists. Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Youll probably end up as one next lifetime. They were dictators and if they felt it to their advantage theyd sell off members of their own tribe and simply call it their right as ruler. Black people with names with Mc in them likely acquired them in one of four ways: they could be descendants of slaves who were owned by an Irish or Scottish slaveowner. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. Louisiana is one hundred apologetically AFRICAN roots. 10. Mary Robinson, the former president of Ireland, is one of the most well-known Irish Robinsons. Most of these people in america are full of hate poisoned by their governments through their food, water and air. Famous Reids include actress Tara Reid, TV presenter Susanna Reid, and retired American attorney Harry Reid. There are many different races from different parts of the world, all with their own diverse history that share the same or similar skin colors. Working is a choice and they get paid for their work. Everyone knows a mulatto slave is more than a pure irish slave or pure African slave!!!!!! I dont expect people to spot the difference between the Scottish Planters who shared Gaelic names and were approved to move into Ireland and take the land to quell the natives. Dunne 28. And it seems that this strategy to retitle oneself to reveal ones stance or clan was a popular thing to do. So, to put the record straight, find out below about the Black Irish. While plantation owners certainly did rape and father children by enslaved women, many were absentee owners who only visited their plantations seversl times a year, this is especially true in the Caribbean. Those who completed their term of service were awarded freedom dues and were free. Family of three here by underground railroad. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. The Cromwell era, which saw a few thousand Irish servants brought to Barbados, is where most of this false narrative is focusing on.